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Arguments which liberals give today about privilege and merit being fetish are all written in this document of the 70s! Indira, rajiv ignored this report but Jan sangh/bjp guys supported it even then. I am sure sanghis themselves believe everything in this report.

Call reservation policy by it's correct name "Reservation Fascism"

India's 20 thryst with destiny started with genocide of Brahmins in Maharashtra post Gandhiji's assassination. (Ignore 20 in last tweet). History of India post 1947 is from one genocide to next. Anti Sikh genocide was in capital itself

Mandal Commission on Hindu society. This is basically how the Indian state looks at the Hindu society. Note how they are concerned about the "ritual ranking". For these social historians, Hinduism is a characterological evil to be ãnnihilãted.

Although they do see that all pre-modern societies had a similar way of looking at ancestral occupations and formation of clans and guilds, they still portray Hindu society as something essentially evil.

They start describing the status of the four castes referring to G S Ghurye and they accept that Shudras were not untouchables, although certain restrictions existed. But concepts of Śauca & Āśauca which are an integral part of Hindu rituals are beyond the grasp of these idiots.

These go on picturizing Hindu texts and Hindu society in a most repugnant manner. And they give this most outrageous statement that a Brahmin may sláy a Shudra without any consequence. Wonder why they did not provide citation of the exact verse in Manusmriti?!

Tuslidas Ramayana is also part of their examination. The Indian state does not have any right to discuss Hindu texts in this manner! It is a shame that such reports are written by state funding in a Hindu majority country.

Valmiki Ramayana's Shambhuka Vadha episode! These things are brought up as evidence of the systematic suppression of Shudras. All these texts have a traditional hermeneutics to reading them. Without that understanding, examining our sacred texts is pure blasphemy!

And which religion are they talking about? Hinduism of course! This is the kind of hateful descriptions of Hinduism which is normalized by the Indian state. They say shudras had no property rights. In reality it was Brahmins who were not supposed to hv property and do bhiksha!

These morons do not understand that Hinduism provides a path for moksha for all beings. And being Brahmin does not guarantee moksha either. If anything, it just makes the duty more rigorous for brahmins, not lesser.

And they cry that SC/STs aren't getting into UPSC by merit! Well, crying about being oppressed & discrimination doesn't help one elevate oneself, does it?Even in democratic India where there is no Manusmriti based rule, they blame Hinduism aka Brahmanism for their shortcomings.

Hindu law is obviously superior because it values virtues of honor and duties (dharma) towards the devas, society & ancestors.A law which is blind to the context upon which it is working with is idiotic.Differences among men does play a role. It is foolish to think otherwise.

The resilience of the Hindu castes is something they are amazed by that it had withstood the challenges of time. No doubt it has been one of our strengths against Abrahamic onslaughts.

The last part of this paragraph is nothing but a warning to the Hindu upper castes that if the supposed suppressed and depressed classes are not given what they demand they will break this country. This is the kind of narrative promoted by the Indian state to blackmail Hindus!

So here comes the vile venom. Why do you feel shudras should feel ashamed about their identity btw?All Hindu jAtis should be proud of their lineage and ancestors.

Yes, as I have told you repeatedly, Hinduism does not value things like equality, fraternity, egalitarianism, etc. So you will not like it.A society which values traditions will not like such tendencies. But why do you think their women are not good match for them?

 Even that is not accepted. Only considered as exception. You are thinking of this as if upper castes were taking away lower caste women.And coming to the other way around. Hindu society protected Brahmins the most because of their restrictions of ritual and lifestyle.

 Another aspect is, you can see what's happening today. With empowering of the lower castes with more legal protections, how they are objectifying upper caste women. Such things had to be stopped in ancient times too.

 It should be opposed.

Claim - Shudras not allowed to read Vedas

you really think Hindus don't know about their religion? Itihasas and Puranas contain all the knowledge of the Vedas. So this argument is a total bunkum.

Your question is like saying either you should do PhD or nothing. Not everyone needs that kind of extremely ritualistic and restricted lifestyle. In fact, whole society supported Brahmins to carry out their life of penance.

If a layman goes and starts reading Vedas he could reject these things as useless because it is of no use to him. But the point is, it is not useful to him.But it is nevertheless the core of our religion. So some limited people were entrusted to preserve it.

You have been indoctrinated with the viewpoint that without reading Vedas you cannot understand Hinduism. And as if Brahmins were not connected with rest of the society. Knowledge in Vedas was transmitted to each and every Hindu through folklore, Itihasa/Puranas etc.

But those Hindus were totally devout towards their dharma. In fact it is today's Hindus who read all these sacred texts freely, who turn into atheists. Advanced knowledge if you freely distribute it without proper initiation it results in chaos. Nothing else.

ARUN SHORIE's BOOK - FALLING OVER BACKWARDS 

The standard technic to propup more and more victimised group, Pay attention to the part "When you can find grievances, invent it" This will be instrumental in understanding the fictional atrocity porn that most of the Hindus have internalised+

By this technic the government creates two groups one is the perpetual oppressor and the other is the eternal victim, The oppressor is guilty and a wrong doer by the virtue of his existence meanwhile the victimised group is absolved of any wrong doing and is perpetually innocent+ 

Another important point to note is, What constitutes victimhood of the "depressed" caste and how exactly is this "depression" defined? what does it actually mean by "depressed"? The definition of "depressed" caste is nowhere to be found in any legal document. 

The allocation of seats in either educational institutions or in posts of government services are not a duty of the state, "reservation" is not a "right" of anyone whosoever benefits from it, it is not enforceable through the courts +

It is meant to be a discretionary power of the state, whether it wants to provide reservation or not, no individual can ask the supreme court to enforce it if in case the state/centre does not want to follow through with it + 

The idea of "affirmative action" or providing "leveled playing field" or "Differential treatment" is introduced in Politics, it creates a Pivot, it often so happens is that in order to succeed politically, the politics of a party or an individual must revolve around that Pivot +

and this is exactly what has happened with this nation, despite the fact that this "affirmative action" was a temporary arrangement that the "farmers of the constitution" agreed upon even though some had other intent, ultimately this temporary arrangement solidified itself + 

and year upon year the "differential treatment" kept on extending and growing from 22~23% to now more than 50%, The supposed achievement of this "Leveled playing field" is that India has become a 3rd world shithole, mediocre in almost every sense of the word in every aspect + 

One thing of note in all of this is that, The caste wise breakup of demography is limited to Hindus only, OTOH the Non-Hindus despite evident caste system among them are in the view of the state are "one block" the "minority" block.

What has this decision resulted in? + 

>Internalised fictional atrocity porn

>Self victimisation of the lower caste

>Oppressor vs Oppressed paradigm

>Unwarranted new hostility towards UCs

>UCs held guilty by birth

>LCs absolved of malice and wrong doing

>LCs feel entitled to reparation +

>Suffering and Disenfranchiment of UCs

>Narrative evolves from

>eradication of Untouchability/equal treatment

>To "give us your daughter/Sister"

>"If you really see us as equal"

>All of the above inculcated in mutual hatred

>LCs get isolated + 

Natural empathy that the society had for that particular section of people has now irreparably eroded, It is lauded that "reservation has helped uplift poor to a great extent" The "great extent" is a pure horseshit, in 70 years of it, it has helped only a few + 

But has made life hell of millions, even now despite all this disenfranchisement of the UCs, in 1000 college going UCs around 300 complete their graduation, in contrast only 47~50 from among 1000 of LCs + 

What concurred post commencement of the realpolitik measures i.e affirmative action?

even the then PM of India knew that recognition of castes as "backward" "depressed" or "General" would eventually come to perpetuate the casteism +

Yeah this is the same casteism that is blamed was inspired by the Hindu scriptures, In nature the distinction/difference is one of the major factor that makes it vibrant/beautiful, imagine a world with one phenotype of men and women, one species of animal, birds trees + 

How would that imagination look like?

To say that casteism sprung from Hindu theology is an absolute bullshit, even as per the Hindu scriptures the ill treatment of those lower than yourself has been proscribed + 

on the contrary the recognition of caste as "backward" "depressed" or "general" without defining them, or setting parameters to define them, has done a service of propping up an ideology of vengeance, hatred and hostility towards the UCs based on self inflicted victimhood + 

The then Indian government prescribed that the backwardness be adjudged using the economic test rather than caste based, in order to avoid propping up casteism but what occurred is exactly that which the then government tried to avoid. 

The narrative of "Equality of opportunity" or "equal treatment" aka 'prohibition of discrimination on grounds of caste' has now evolved to "Give us your daughter/sister if you see us as equals"Unroll available on Thread Reader

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The case of a student mentioned in this snippet is the Champakam Dorairajan case, A DPSP(Article 46) overruled A Fundamental right{Article 29(2)}, The Supreme court clearly rejected the move and clarified that DPSP cannot over rule FR meaning +

To uplift a section of citizen and protect their interest you cannot deny equality of opportunity to the other section of the citizen, declared the reservation unconstitutional, to circumvent this decision of the supreme court an amendment was proposed which introduced + 

A new clause-4 to the Article-15 was inducted, thus the decision of the Judiciary was circumvented by the Legislature +

Remember the Pivot? that was created at the commencement of realpolitik measures i.e "leveled playing field" or "affirmative action", What we see today the fragmented society and vote bank politics is a direct result of reservation +

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Anyone saying otherwise is blatantly fooling you, The fragmentation, the sake of Unity that is often cited on the face of UCs, whenever they wake up from the slumber and start to work towards uplifting their own community + 

Often when UCs start to think about the best interest of their community, their kins, the unity card is played in the sense that "If UCs work for the best interest of their people, they are helping erode the UNITY" however if we analyse the reservation + 

in the sense that how well of a Job has it done in diminishing whatever unity or empathy Hindu society had, one will be surprised how good of a job it has done, The illusory "Unity" often said the UCs are primarily responsible for breaking it + 

moving on to, TN passes a resolution unanimously to keep the reservation at 69% despite Indira Sawhney case which fixed the ceiling at 50, without any real reason or justification, even in all party meeting it was rather emphasised than clarified or justified as to why 69%? +

Home ministry held a meeting and the then cabinet advised president to give assent to the Bill unanimously passed by the TN legislature it was notified on 16 July 1994, +

The state government requests the centre to put the bill in 9th schedule so that it would be out of the purview of the courts, this decision it was put in the 9th schedule however the decision taken by the legislature to put it in the 9th schedule was challenged +

since then the case is pending before the Judiciary and Judiciary deliberately avoids confronting it to absolve themselves becoming the thorn in the eyes of the legislature and the executive + 

wrt reservation in services under the state on the basis of caste was in the view of the supreme court, unwise and unconstitutional, since it was in violation of the A-335 of the Indian constitution and held that if reservation were to be provided for the sake of +

"leveled playing field" it was to be only given at the entry level, however there was yet another amendment that inserted new clause in under Article-16 saying that reservation in matters of promotion of any class of posts under the state for ST/SC, the state has the descretion + 

To decide whether a certain community is "adequately" represented or not, bear in mind the terms "adequately represented" in itself is at the descretion of the state and the term "representation" itself is an ambiguous term, here the merit is not even being considered + 

This was not settled yet, because of the carry forward rule which was the in violation of 50% ceiling set by the supreme court in the Indira sawhney case, lets suppose there are 200 seats in an institution among which 50% is reserved but in a given year only 25% of the reserved + 

seat is filled, and 75 remain vacant, now the carry forward rules says that these reserved seats are not to be filled by anyone except the reserved caste even in case of vacancy and to be carried forward in the next year, so the 75 vacant seats(reserved) seats + 

plus the 50% reservation out of total of 200 seats a year, not add it up 75 of the reserved vacant seats and 100 reserved seats making it total 175 seats reserved in the next year, this was again challenged in the supreme court and the supreme court reaffirmed + 

that the ceiling is 50%, now the onus falls on the legislature and what do they do? They make more amendement and inserted yet another clause-4B under Article-16

A-16(4A) says that the reserved vacant seats shall be carried forward into the next year along with the reservation quota of that year for SC/ST.

A-16(4B) says that the reserved vacant seat that has been carried forward shall not be counted in the the quota of that year + 

Meaning that the vacant reserved seats for SC/ST shall not be counted in the ceiling of 50% quota for any particular year, viola the magic wand made the breach disappear for those who were affected. 

moving on, The Articles 29 & 30, reassure the minority to protect and preserve their culture, language, script by establishing the institution of their choice, now this phrase "of their choice" bears a great significance as we will see in subsequent tweets +

for instance a syrian christian in India deems that his culture is dying out, their language is fading away, then he is eligible to set up an institution to preserve his culture, language and script as granted by the constitution of India + 

He is eligible to decide what kind of institution is fit to preserve their heritage, however the reality is that by plucking out the phrase "of their choice" from the Article-30 + 

Several Universities for professional degrees have been set up by the minorities, this begs the question as to how does an Institution that provides technical degree set up by minorities help them preserve their culture, language and script? + 

Moreover, these institution are presumed to enjoy immunity of Articl-29 & 30, keeping them out of the purview of the regulations by the state, suppose a Hindu sets up a college for professional degree, then the state as well as the university with which that college + 

is affiliated can and will prescribe what that college must do, including reservation, now OTOH if a similar college is setup by a member of minority community then in this case neither the state nor the university can regulate it, This view was held for several decades + 

This is what the courts held more or less wrt minority educational institutions, however this is not the end of it in P.A Inamdar v/s State of Maharashtra the court held that there is not much difference between unaided minority or non-minority educational institution +

and that state shall abjure from prescribing quotas in such instutitions, then all hell broke loose, hue and cry began even in the legislature and thus the 93rd amendment was brought about by the Congress and it inserted a new clause-5 under Article-15 +

this changed private education and institutions, where the court held that there shall not be reservation in private institution, legislature amended the constitution to "there shall be" however this is not just it, this amendment majorly affected the private institution + 

owned by Hindus, so this amendment said that there shall be reservation in private institution as well but when you look at the effect then you'll see the that this affected became applicable to non-minority owned institutions + 

Where the court held that there shall not be any difference between minority and non-minority educational institution the legislature decreed that there shall be a difference, minority institution still remained protected under the Article-29 & 30 + 

but the government gave itself the authority to direct and regulate non-minority owned educational institutions, while this was going on another demand went up that since you're directing private institutions to give reservation, what about the institutions held by you? + 

There was an attempt to declare Hindus as minorities in few states so that they could avail benefits of reservation in J&K, Punjab and North east, now many might cheer it and be happy that at least they will get some benefit but don't be fooled + 

the moment hindus as a minority in those state get reservation, it is reservation on religious ground and it will open the flood gates for other minorities to stake a claim on resrvation on the grounds of religion. 

Before we move any further, lets look back in history and try to see for ourselves as to what constitutes the alleged "depression" of castes that are millions strong, the history from where our constitution sprung and brought with it the paradigm of +

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"Oppressor" and "Oppressed". The 1911 census British officers were tasked with the duty to collect census data and morever to ascertain the "depression" of caste, whether a group of people suffer from some kind of social "disability" based on certain parameters prescibed + 

to the British officers in the form of questionaire, the social "deprivity/disability" was to be ascertained as listed in the snippet below, which is more of an instigation than a questionaire, like they deliberately wanted to instigate someone into victimising themselves +

Although they failed in their attempt to ascertain the "disability" of a caste based of their prescribed parameters, they succeded in plucking out SC out of the Hindu fold and represented as a separate group of people + 

The census was by design as such that Hindus were to split and recorded in different castes meanwhile the Muslims and Christian were to be recorded as one block regardless of caste prevalent in those societies, moving on + 

The reservation is no "levelled playing field" rather a vested interest of a group that has been rewarded for exact that(caste) which they blame on others as a reason for their alleged "depression"/"oppression"+

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The pivot once created, keeps growing until the system that created it is overthrown by a civil war that resulted due the pivot, maybe then that pivot might diminish, in general "casteism" the alleged "discrimination" is not a result of UCs being inherently bad and evil +

The "casteist" is a blow horn, whenever you point out immorality, injustice or demand equal right for yourself or you community your kinsmen, it is a tool to silence UCs into submission, the hateful ideology of casteism is something that didn't originate out of the Hindu faith + 

It is a love child of the reservation and the groups that benefits form reservation and keep on demanding more and more, by demonising UCs, abusing them, denying them life with dignity, so that their free supplies of goodies for a lifetime be steady. 

The word so precisely chosen that by default it labelles the UCs as oppressor and the LCs as victim, instills a sense of guilt into the UCs simultaneously victimises the LCs.

Going back further into Historical census, We find that there was a trend specially among lower caste, that they saw the census every 10 years as an opportunity for upward social mobility and a chance to get themselves enumerated as Higher caste, this was not limited +

To a certain geography, In the provinces which was the dominion of the British, this phenomenon of requesting to be enumerated as Higher caste was more intense that it was in princely states, nevertheless this trend to claim higher caste persisted through out this subcontinent +

This trend begs a few questions, since we all are familiar with the official narrative as well as the narrative of reservationists and the allegedly "oppressed" community that "Upper caste oppressed us for 5000 yeas" to project the upper caste as 'inherently evil' + 

and the lower caste as eternal victim, so the question here is why were the Lower caste the self proclaimed victims was more than keen on getting themselves enumerated as the Upper caste, whom they now see as an enemy? + 

Why would a victim want to be recognised with the identity of their oppressor?

The only possible explanation/understanding i could wrap my brain around with is that:

People often choose to identify themselves with some identity that is not theirs for three fundamental reasons + 

1- They don't feel good about who they are on their own

2- Admire the upper caste deeply and aspire to become like them

3- Wish to extract benefit that a certain identity entails(Brāhmana/Kshatriya) + 

For those who are Brāhmana/Kshatriya it is their identity, whether it entails benefits or does harm is least of their concern, they don't identify themselves as a Brāhmana/Kshatriya so that they could extract some benefit, rather it is their existence + 

The 2 sides of the demand to be enumerated as upper caste during the British census, The census superintendent assumed that maybe this trend to be enumerated as UCs was a desire to live a life worthy of that status, OTOH +Unroll available on Thread Reader

The census superintendent observed that this attempt was pathetic in the sense that although the lower caste proclaimed to have origin from the UCs their traits more/less remained as they were before, life of the community was more/less the same, they may argue + 

"Oh it was the UCs who did not allow them equal treatment or denied them respect" but the pertinent question is how and why?

As for the "How?" It is well known that birds of the same feather flock together, such as, There are Brāhmanas of various different sub-caste within + 

The Brāhmana Varn, each sub-caste sees other sub-caste as different than themselves even though both belong to the same Varn, each sub-caste within the same Varn varies in tradition, culture ...etc + 

There is nothing wrong about it, every sub-caste has the right to preserve their customs and traditions, and this kind of social structure has other benefits, as per the evolutionary psychology, Intra-varn and homogeneity preserves the society/civilisation + 

Inter-varn homogeneity over a period leads to identity crisis and thus destroys the society/civilisation.

Anyways coming back to the point of this thread + 

The argument proposed by the RW+LW+Commies "Oh it was UCs who did not accept them as Upper caste thus discriminated against them, hence the life of the community remained more/less same, even after their enumeration as UCs" well there exist no society anywhere in the globe + 

which accepts anyone and everyone into the fold just because he/she proclaimed of belonging to the society concerned, I as a Indian cannot be accepted as a German/Englishman just because i proclaimed of being a German/Englishman, similarly getting one self enumerated + 

as UC during the census does not make one a UC, moreover, The movement of getting themselves enumerated as UCs and desire to substantiate their claim of belong to upper caste was so intense that they made determined efforts to follow on the footsteps of the Brāhmana/Kshatriya +

Again to give the benefit of the doubt that what is written in the snippet above might very well not be applicable to every lower castes, but just to see that to what length the people would go to extract some benefit that an identity entails + 

Also the above snippet illustrates that following on the footsteps of the Brāhmana/Kshatriya meant to civilised the subaltern's rather than crush them down(दलित) 

General point here is that if LC perceived that an identity is rewarded then they can and will go lengths to associate themselves with the identity in one way or the other, the question again repeats itself + 

why would an alleged "victim" want to identify themselves with their "oppressors" identity to the extent that the "victims" were more than keen to adopt their alleged "oppressors" lifestyle- Stockholm syndrome? millions strong people suffering from stockholm syndrome? + 

The supposed leaders had promised several goodies and special accomodation to keep everyone under one roof so that British did not concoct reasons to stay back in India, The turning point in Indian history arrived finally and power was transferred to these "leaders" + 

Post Independence it was time to fulfil the promises of the "leaders", and being backward was rewarded so the earlier race to get enumerated as UC inverted and the race began backwards, The communities began the race to get themselves enumerated as backwards +

Bakshi commission listed backward classes as per the agitation as in whoever claimed to be "backward" was listed as "backwards" without any further due diligence thus the government had to appoint yet another commission(Rane commission) and Rane commission as follows +

Rane commission recorded that now since being backward was being rewarded, the temptation to be recognised as "backwards" was so high that the LCs were doing everything they could to associate themselves with the identity that was being rewarded +

LCs rigorously made efforts to humiliate their caste identity, by attributing fake atrocities and vices so that their caste would be eligible to be classified as "backwards" and the label would firmly stick. They on their own by themselves stigmatised themselves +

on their own by themselves, They crushed themselves and fabricated stories of oppression so that their caste would qualify as "Backwards", in both the trend be it requesting to be enumerated as upper caste or crushing themselves to qualify as "backwards" upper caste had no hand + 

UCs did not oppress rather to extract benefits from the identity that the government of post independent India rewarded, they fabricated sob stories so that they could enjoy the reward, and to continue the rewards for generations to come +