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Hygienic principles r universal- regarding food and water and eating and drinking like bathing and washing hands before food preparation, covering of the mouth, clipping nails and shaving heads and beards etc.
Hygiene is based on germ theory of disease -Many Diseases r spread by touch,by water n by droplets-so use of detergents and disinfectants;non-touch technique like not eating off the same plates and dishes,disposable banana leaf vessels,
eating by hand, not eating the food cooked by strangers, not allowing people into the kitchen,not allowing certain people to draw water from the same well who r engaged in unclean professions etc
What to eat,what not to eat n from whom it can be received is about personal choice n free will. Certain raw or dry foodstuffs can be accepted from anybody n some not.There is no discrimination here ,It is plain n simple
If u want to eat whatever u want ,go to any restaurants or Motel ,Here nobody seems to care who the cook or the waiters are or where the foodstuffs come from .If i am paying from my purse ,than it is my right to choose what food i want and from whom, None of ur Business
Untouchability,Purity should be practised by everyone regardless of race,religion,creed etc. It is a very good Hygienic Habit n practice.
Untouchability in India - Touching is about creating and granting personal space.viz- Indian way of greeting a man/woman respects his/her personal space,unlike culture in many western countries. All humans were granted personal space in hinduism. A military general can’t violate
personal space of a humble woman. Number of sexual offenses were very less. This is also granted intra family. Being human centered it has a hygienic aspect as well. In 20th century this got confused with (1) toilet cleaning (2) class warfare (3) slavery alike ….However these
were not typical indian problems. India didn’t have slavery, the toilet cleaning was a global problem in 19th century, not a ancient indian one. Existence of historical SC communities - ability to have family, community, organization - indicate general lack of slavery, serfdom
or oppression in India as compared to rest of World.Most of the current Shudra communities in fact managed huge chunks of economy in service/manufacturing/cottage industry/arts etc, many cases with monopoly. So right to body as a concept would be existing in ancient india.
In a functioning society these would be so normal that few would make a issue why one is not given a hug! Early secular Travel visitors at times didn’t note these as matters worth noticing.
Does hinduism support untouchability?Hinduism is not a living entity.Untouchability has got nothing to do with the spiritual or philosophical nature of Hinduism. However huge members of people belonging to many castes in India (who identify themselves as Hindus) practice
untouchability even today n they should-nthng wrong in that.Historically the Untouchables aka Pañcamas (Fifth category) were comprised of People that did not readily fit into the 4 estates like the tribals, hill-people, aborigines, nomads et al. Miscreants from the
Mainstream society that had been out-casted due to infringement of the rules of their Jaatis or societyCommunities who were indulged in certain professions: occupations that were found to be disagreeable such as waste disposal, removing dead carcasses from the village which
they then processed and recycled into leather and bone articles.Some communities were involved in leather making. Since the task was done without equipment likes gloves- considering low sanitation options like good soaps; these people might have smelled bad. And thus they had to
live separately and use separate water sources for drinking etc. The same fate was there for communities indulging in manual scavenging.These were hardly 3-4% of total society.Communities that lost status in a war with the Mughal or British Empire increases this to 20% today.
During the Mughal Empire, there was rampant war all the time. Large communities had to flee entire villages and hide in forests. During the British empire, economy fell rapidly and entire groups of people had no livelihood. Apart from that, some communities sided with the
British and waged war against Indian empires (probably for money or better education)! These people also got socially ostracized(like Mahar Jaati from which Ambedkar belonged was hand in gloves with British).Becoz of isolation, they couldn’t live a civilised life. They had to eat
wild animals n other forest food.They couldn’t bath properly.All this lead them to be labelled as ‘filthy’. Some started resorting to stealing.This made other communities even more angry towards them etcTEXTUAL ARGUMENT IN SUPPORT Dalit SJW today search out the most atrocious
sayings in the texts and triumphantly present them as “Hinduism.” In accordance with Politics n Victimology There r both +ve n -ve things mentioned in texts like everything is not black n white.
So,now we understand why certain people were labelled as ‘impure’ n denied access to Wells in ancient timesSome people will bring this argument -Try to understand the Dalit lived experience ,Of course, it can be absolutely wretched, hopeless, and fomenting of hatred towards
caste infrastructure & by extension Hinduism for many folks. But I don't believe lived experience is a warden of truth or a harbinger of progress. All this is propaganda designed for ReservationSo.any news like this is a propaganda nthng mo
If one reads newspapers and is following statistics,Untouchability will appear to be a huge problem. If Untouchability is about people refusing to physically touch certain communities involved in unclean occupations than this is perfectly fine, If it is related to not touching
people labelled as Dalits,it is about free will n choice. Current Marxist Prop -Dalits are not given house for rent, not given jobs in interviews,not preferred as a partner in arranged marriages and discriminated in various other forms by a large number of Indians.
All of this is part n parcel of propaganda. Suppose a person comes to ur House for rent,u will check their background to ascertain their living standards,People who r engaged in unclean occupations or who doesnot satisfy those living standards , it is logical that one will not
give him accomodation,the person who is in need himself will hv to change n adopt not the other way round.Marxists believe in reverse social engineering.Now we understand In earlier times, certain people were not allowed to draw water from a common water source or even travel
on roads used by certain communities .That was +ve discrimination. It is about personal space of that community.We know this from today-In Gated Societies,only people belonging to that soceity r allowedif People labelled today as DALITS avail reservation benefits, than there will be an official record of it n other people will hv every right to judge. Here,i want to mention that in every Society whether European,Islamic,Chinese,korean etc ,similar things were there.
There is/was no untouchability in India,at least, nothing that is unique to India. Its modern avatara is known as social distancing which we saw during Covid
lockdown as you are aware,was not discrimination but a health mandate. In the old days, one need to see the kinds of jobs which were considered a potential health hazard - so anyone in jobs like skinning animals, disposing carcasses of dead animals, those involved in culling
animals for meats, people who handle the dead in crematoria, sanitation workers and even some contagious diseases like plague, leprosy, tuberculosis etc had to maintain social distancing norms so as to not spread a potential contagion.What is Untouchabiltiy?If a boy wants to touch a girl,but a girl refuses,than would u call this Untouchability.That’s really all there is to it. It was given -ve color by the British colonials to show down Indian civilization. It is a long n complex issue
Untouchability increased vastly with arrival of Buddhism,Islamic Invasions,British Colonization etc. Necessary to view things not from our position today but in proper context to get the full picture
Discrimination are of 2 types-+ve n -ve, One cannot eliminate free will n personal choices n preferences, Some form of +ve discrimination will always be there A person has every right not to invite a garbage collector to his home n choose people which suits his interests.
We are the only country in World which has incorporated Untouchability in the Constitution in the form of SC/ST Reservations making sure it will never go.that is sufficient,i guess ,I will explain issue around Caste Discrimination if someone asks for it
There is another spiritual reason for this-Runanubandha.Acc to Hindu Science,Your body remembers or registers everything it touches.It affects the spiritual aspects of your life as the attachment of Runanubandha is strong . In spiritual growth, the body functions better when
it has less stored memory in form of Runanubandha. The more distant you are from other beings the better. Yogis and people in spiritual path will not even shake hand with anybody as they don't want the unnecessary Runanubandha to built up.They maintain distance from almost
everything.Each time a new memory is created when you get in physical contact with anybody.This was also a reason for Social Distancing as most people were on some sort or spiritual practice. This is Indian or Hindu Exceptionalism meaning India has to be viewed n understood
through its own Lens instead of any Foreign framework.
What is the definition of "pure" or "clean" in Hinduism?
This is a vast and complicated subject and I will try to simplify it as much as possible - but there is no short answer.
First a definition - the technical terms are Śaucam / Aśaucam
Śuci = brilliant, bright, shining, radiant, clear, illumined, unsullied
śuci — is defined as being in a state which is free from any hindrance to the performance of ritual obligations and duties. It is a mental as well as a physical state of preparedness, free from ‘impairments.
Synonyms for ‘pure’: śuddham, pūtaṁ, pavitraṁ, medhyaṁ, vimalam.
Śaucam also has 3 applications:—
1. In respect of health and hygiene — body, clothes, environment.
2. In respect of Ritual Practice (karma-khāṇḍa) and all its associated limbs (aṅgas).
3. In respect of mentality, spiritual progress and mokṣa.
The first is connected with a physical cleanliness, including clothes and environment. Originally most of the traditional concepts of purity and impurity were based upon health concerns, but with urbanization and a more scientific knowledge of the germ theory of disease they are now mostly redundant.
All the processes of Karma-khāṇḍa (Ritual Activity) require personal hygiene and environmental cleanliness but also include ritual purity.
Spiritual progress and mokṣa are hindered by mental and moral contamination rather than lack of hygiene and cleanliness.
Sources of Aśaucam
There are 3 major sources of impurity (aśaucam)
1. Exudates of the human body.
All margins and matter issuing from them are considered polluting — hair, nails, spittle, blood, semen, urine, feces and tears. Human bodies in the act and process of producing these bodily secretions or associating with these matters are also regarded as polluting. The presence of active bleeding as in menstruation, although polluting is also considered as auspicious.
2. Birth and Death.
Aśaucam is also incurred during the processes of birth and death regardless of the varṇa of those involved; however, while birth signifies ‘auspicious impurity’ death is considered as ‘inauspicious impurity’. Anybody who touches the corpse, bathes it, dresses it and carries it becomes aśuci. Also those who attend a funeral are also aśuci but to a lesser degree.
The observance of aśaucam in the case of death is considered a privilege and is done for highly respected people such as parents and teachers but is omitted in the case of suicides, those who are fallen, criminals etc.
In the case of those who die in battle or in the line of duty (soldiers, policemen, firemen etc) and for babies also there is no aśaucam because they are free from karma in the latter case, and purified through dying for a worthy cause in the former.
3. Social status, profession.
In the socially graded system, Brahmans are considered to be the “purest”, as a result of their occupational involvement in ritual and religious activities. These tasks are considered to be the most superior and purest of all social activities. At the other end of the social spectrum, some śūdras are identified as defiled as a result of the defiling activities that they have socially been obliged to engage in. Certain communities among the śūdras have historically been assigned the tasks of cremating the dead, removing dead animals from the village, carting away human feces, cutting hair, nails and washing and cleaning processes associated with bodily excrements. As a result of their occupational association with polluted social events and polluted human matter, they are considered as eternally polluted and polluting. This was a health consideration in a pre-industrial rural India. Those who worked with human and animal waste matter acquired a high degree of personal immunity from the germs. Their knowledge and practice of personal hygiene was somewhat undeveloped, therefore keeping them “untouchable” may have been a good idea before the advancement of public health and hygiene. Nowadays in modern urban societies this is no longer applicable with the extensive introduction of OHS regulations and barrier protection.
na hi jñānena sadṛśā pavitram iha vidyate | tat-svayā yoga saṁsiddhiḥ kālenātmani vindati || Gītā 4:38 ||Verily, there is no purifier in this world equal to knowledge; one that is perfected in Karma Yoga discovers this (knowledge) spontaneously in oneself in due time.
na hi jñānena sadṛśā pavitram iha vidyate | tat-svayā yoga saṁsiddhiḥ kālenātmani vindati || Gītā 4:38 ||
Verily, there is no purifier in this world equal to knowledge; one that is perfected in Karma Yoga discovers this (knowledge) spontaneously in oneself in due time.
 In the Vedic period, individuals with a certain aptitude for these activities chose to perform them. In later periods, as the classes became transformed into a rigid social system of castes, tasks were determined not by aptitude or preference but were inherited at birth. Thus Śūdras remained bound to performing these tasks through generations.
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