Addressing all Controversial Issues regarding HINDUISM Hindu-Phobia and Hindu-Hatred

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Controversial Issues - like Devadasi , Shudra not allowed to read Vedas ,Non-Brahmin not allowed into Sanctum Santorum etc

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  • suyash95 168 days ago | +0 points

    What is it like being a Hindu Shudra?

    It is fantastic - we are the majority 90% and our great good fortune is that we are free from all the onerous obligations, and tyrannical rules and regulations that the Dvijas (“Twice-born” - those who have received the sacrament of upanayana) are compelled to follow.

    na śūdre pātakam kiñcin na tasya saṁskāram arhati |

    nāsya adhikāro dharme’sti na ca dharmāt pratiṣedhanam ||

    A Sudra cannot commit an offence, causing loss of caste (pātaka), and he is not required to undergo the (forty obligatory) sacraments; he has no obligation to (fulfil) the sacred ritual law (of the dvijas) but there is no objection to his following all the ethical principles and practices of the Dharma. (Manu 10:126)

    So we are free to eat and drink and enjoy as we please as long as we apply the ethical principles(Dharma). We do not have to offer daily prayers and perform spiritual tasks, we do not have to observe all the rules of purity and traditional social distancing or to study and memorise sacred texts. So in short we have complete religious freedom. (Social freedom is circumscribed by the family and community.)

    Those who undergo the initiation ceremony known as upanayana are obligated to an enormous set of rules and regulations and onerous duties and responsibilities - the non-performance of which generate DEMERIT and cases one to “fall” pātaka.

    So we Sūdras can emulate whatever we want of the higher spiritual practices and disciplines and thereby gain MERIT. But by non-performance or lapsed performance we obtain no demerit.

    dharma ipsavas tu dharmajñāḥ satāṁ vṛttam anuṣṭhitāḥ |

    mantra varjyaṁ na duṣyanti praśaṁsāṁ prāpnuvanti ca ||

    (Sudras) who are desirous to gain merit, and study the Dharma, commit no sin, but gain praise, if they follow the practices of the virtuous - without reciting Vedic mantras. (Manu 10:127)

    In fact we are entitled to the same respect as the Dvijas

    śūdre karmabhiḥ śucibhir devī śuddhātmā vijitendriyaḥ |

    śūdro-pi dvijavat sevya iti brahmābravīt svayam ||

    Even a sudra O Devi that has purified himself by good deeds and has subjugated his senses should be served like a twice-born person, this has been declared by Brahma himself. (M.B. Anusasana Parva 143:48)

    We are the mainstay of society and without us society would collapse. At the moment we are the health-care workers that are putting our lives in danger in order to keep you all alive.

    So being a Sudra is the most laudable status because our privilege is to nurture the society and the environment.

    sa naiva vyabhavat | sa śaudraṃ varnaṃ asrjata pūṣaṇaṃ | iyam vai pūṣā | iyam hīdam sarvaṃ pūṣyati yad idaṃ kiṃ ca || (Brd Aranyaka 1:4:13. )

    He did not flourish, so he created the śūdra order as Pūṣan. Verily this (earth) is Pūṣan the nourisher, for she nourishes everything that is.

    Explanation. Pūṣa is the nourishing aspect of the Sun - the function of nourishing is also associated with the earth so here the Sūdra is identified both with the Sun and the Earth. In the famous Puruṣa Sūkta the Sūdra order represents the feet of society envisaged as a corporate group or one body. In the context of this verse Prajāpati is trying to create the world but nothing works until he creates the Sūdras.

    Workers of the world unite! Hanuman is the patron deity of gyms and body builders.

    Why does Manusmriti ask lead to be melted and poured into the ears of lower caste people even if they hear the Vedas accidentally?

    Now if a Sudra listens intentionally to the recitation of the Veda, his ears shall be filled with molten tin or lac. If he recites Vedic texts, his tongue shall be cut out, and if he remembers them, his body shall be split in two. Gautama 12: 4-6

    This verse is probably an interpolation from some caste-nazi because there is no record or evidence that this punishment was ever carried out by any ruler at any time. And during the temple festivals the Vedas were always chanted in front of all castes - even the lowest, from the time the first temples were built - in South India at least.

    In the Panchartra Agama - Isvara Samhita – it states that every temple festival must include all four varnas and the procession through the streets is to be accompanied by Vedic chanting and of course courtesans dancing. The palanquin of the deity is always carried by Sudras who walk in front of the Veda chanting Brahmins.

    Catur vedamayod-ghoṣaiḥ stotra ghoṣa samanvitaiḥ || I.S. 10:363

    [The procession] must be accompanied by the chanting of the Vedas & Prabandhas [Tamil Vedas].

    So for at least the past 1000 years every temple festival in South India has included the public chanting of the Vedas - this is proven by the fact that Rāmānujācarya himself instituted the Pañcarātra procedures in all the major Vaishnava temples bar a few.

    There is also an annual festival called the Adhyayanotsava in Vishnu Temples of the South where a pavilion is setup and the public chanting of the Vedas takes place during the day and the Prabandha (Tamil Vedas) are chanted at night.

    So the historical, epigraphical and traditional customs and procedures would indicate that this notorious verse of Gautama’s is propaganda only.

    Why were Shudras not permitted to read the Vedas?

    Always remember saying things doesnot means doing things .This was just an opinion .Shudras were not (past tense) permitted to read the Vedas for a variety of reasons - lack of literacy and time is one major obstacle.

    Most folks today see the ancient world retroactively through the lens of their current situation instead of doing a mental time-travel thing and putting themselves back in time.

    Life spans were short in them days (40 - 50 years was very old) — and the imperative for most people was to learn a trade and get to work, get married at puberty - have as many kids as possible because 1/3rd of them would die before their first birthday.

    The only way to get an education was to learn the trade of your father and your community.

    To study one Veda it took a full-time study of 12 years ending at age 21. Most commoners were parents of numerous children by then.

    BUT there was a major revolution in 1439 when a German guy invented a printing press - not long after, printed books began appearing in India and in a flash we arrive at the 21st century when all the Vedas and allied literature is now IN PRINT!

    But people always long and pine for the forbidden fruits - we always want what others have (ghar ki murgi dahl barabar!) but when they get access they are deeply disappointed. The same knowledge that is found in the Vedas was always available to Sudras and women through the stories and myths of the Puranas.

    So all of you Quorans who are still pining to study the Vedas they are available on in English for study from here. Rig Veda Index - when you have finished reading Mandala #1 please flick me an email to let me know how you went.

    Yajur Veda with Sanskrit can be had here Taittiriya Samhita, Brahmana, Aranyaka etc.

    White Yajur Veda with devanagari and English can be had from here - White Yajur-Veda: Vajasaneyi-Samhita (Madhyandina): Frame

    Hindi versions can be found here Buy Rare and Best Selling Books in Hindi from Exotic India.

    Happy study!

    What is Hinduism without a caste system?

    The caste issue is a peculiarly INDIAN social problem, not a HINDU one - it occupies more space on Quora than any other topic apart from the obsession of some people with idolatry.

    There are 10′s of millions of Hindus outside of India that live a fulsome caste-free life. Vedanta - the philosophy of Hinduism - is taught and practiced the world over without any reference to caste-class, race or gender.

    So Hinduism can thrive very well without this outdated attempt at social engineering - in a free and equitable social setting.

    The core of the problem is that Indians themselves are totally confused and misinformed about the caste-system and retain prejudice and practice discrimination on a social basis, not religious. Not one Hindu can give a cogently spiritual reason why they are prejudiced against other castes or give a logical justification why they are discriminating against another person on the basis of their name.

    SJW’s are constantly throwing Manu around and blaming his 2500 year old text for the Indian social evils of caste discrimination and oppression - yet that very same text deconstructs the entire system as well, and renders all the SJW arguments vacuous and all practice of caste-discrimination as mindless prejudice.

    Now let me explain very simply - please pay attention. The four castes are divided into two categories:–

    Dvijas (twice-born) i.e. Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas.

    Non-Dvijas — Commoners i.e. Sudras.

    The Dvijas have privilege, but that privilege is contingent upon them fulfilling three conditional duties which are:–

    1. Undergoing Upanayana (Sacred thread) ceremony at the right time. Brahmins at age 8, Kshatriyas at 11 and Vaishyas at age 12 (Manu 2:36)
    2. Performing Sandhya Vandana twice a day - morning and evening for the rest of their lives.
    3. Veda-adhyayana – Studying and memorising a portion of the Vedas during a period of studentship under a guru.

    If these three conditions are not fulfilled they LOSE ALL PRIVILEGE of being a dvija and are demoted to Vrātya status - which is technically an expulsion from caste.

    The proof texts are;–

    ata ūrdhvaṁ trayo 'py ete yathākālam asaṁskṛtāḥ | sāvitrīpatitā vrātyā bhavanty ārya-vigarhitāḥ ||

    After those (periods - age 8 for Brahmins, 11 for kshatriyas and 12 for vaishyas, men of) these three (castes) who have not received the sacrament of Upanayana at the proper time, become Vrātyas (outcasts), excluded from the Savitri (initiation and access to education) and are despised by the Aryans (loss of all privilege). (Manu 2:39.)

    na-etair apūtair vidhivad āpady api hi karhi cit | brāhmān yaunāṁś ca sambandhān na-ācared brāhmaṇaḥ saha || 40 ||

    With such men, who have not been purified according to the rule, let no Brahmana ever, even in times of distress, form a connection either through the Veda (education) or by marriage. (Manu 2:40.)

    na tiṣṭhati tu yaḥ pūrvāṁ na-upāste yaś ca paścimām | sa śūdravad bahiṣkāryaḥ sarvasmād dvija-karmaṇaḥ ||

    But he who does not (perform Sandhya Vandana) standing in the morning, nor sitting in the evening, shall be excluded, like a Sudra, from all the duties and privileges of a Dvija. (Manu 2:103.)


    So in fact the vast majority of Kshatriyas and Vaishyas have long ago abandoned their three obligations and therefore have lost all Dvija privilege and are Sudras and have been so for hundreds of generations already.

    The majority of Brahmins still undergo the Upanayana ceremony as a social rite of passage but do not perform Sandhya or study any Veda - so they are all Vrātyas - outcastes - with whom genuine Vedic brahmins are forbidden to have any social intercourse or to marry according to Manu. (They try to compromise by doing a yearly atonement ceremony known as Upakarma - to retain some semblance of Brahminhood - that too is only pro forma and would not satisfy the cranky old Manu.)


    99% of Hindus are Sudras and the only real Brahmins are those who are doing their daily Sandhya and are actively engaged in Veda Study.

    So according to none other than Manu - all pretence at caste-privilege and discrimination is a farce and a charade since we are ALL SUDRAS and so any consideration of social varna is redundant - all discrimination should stop immediately since we are all equal!

    Hence we can conclude that this caste-shambles is NOT a Hindu matter; it is an Indian one based on disinformation and delusion.

    Why are non-Brahmins not allowed inside the temple sanctum?

    No one is allowed into the temple sanctum except the consecrate priests. Brahmins or non-brahmins.

    The temple priests (archakas) undergo certain elaborate mandala dikshas after which they are permitted access to the sanctum.

    Some temples the are built according to Sthapatya Ved? The innermost center of a building is thought to be as if the hollow center of one’s spinal cord, the sushumna and to be kept pure and silent. No wonder only a silent mind would be allowed into such a sanctum filled with being. There is no such restrictions in North India. Even we can touch the deity and offer pooja by himself.there are two types of temples. Some are called Dhuli Dharshana, meaning they are created for anyone to touch them and have a relation with the deity on a physical level. Not all temples are exactly the same. Each temple is built for a different purpose. So knowing the significance via Sthalapurana will help what is the purpose of this instrument (temple).

    Who were the devdasi's in ancient India?

    With all due respect to prof Gabriela Nitti’s academic qualifications she is completely prejudiced and factually wrong in her response.

    The Devadasis in Ancient India were dancing girls and ladies attached to the great temples of the South mainly. The institution was not started due to a conspiracy between the kings and priests and it was not prostitution. In the 18th and 19th century Raj any form of sexual liberation was considered to be “prostitution” by the British.

    All the ancient Agamas mention the institution and glorify the women involved. And in the ancient manuscripts, seven classes of Deva-dasis are mentioned, viz.,

    (1) Datta, or one who gives herself voluntary as a gift to a temple;

    (2) Vikrita, or one who sells herself for the same purpose;

    (3) Bhritya, or one who offers herself as a temple servant for the upkeep of her family;

    (4) Bhakta, or one who joins a temple out of devotion to serve the deity;

    (5) Hrita, or one who is enticed away, and presented to a temple;

    (6) Alankara, or one who, being well trained in her profession of dancing and singing and music and profusely decked with gold ornaments, is presented to a temple by kings and noblemen;

    (7) Rudraganika or Gopika, who receives regular wages from a temple, and are employed to sing and dance but not resident in the temple compound.

    They were women who joined the temple and were highly educated in the arts - acting, singing, dancing and story-telling. They studied the Natya-śāstras and Puranas and would enact stories from them during the temple festivals. They lived in a special compound with the temple precincts - with board and lodging, were educated for free and their clothes, costumes, and jewellery were given by the temple - so why on earth would they have to prostitute themselves?

    Their daily duties would include dancing and singing during the various pūjā sessions and would lead the procession of the deity and the chariot festivals etcetera.

    They were exactly like the Japanese Geishas, well-educated and independent women who, by the fact of being married to the deity, nitya-sumaṅgalis - women were were perpetually auspicious and would never become widows.

    In addition to their temple duties they were free to visit and perform in the homes of those who could afford their services during festivities and celebrations like marriages. Remember - they were the “Bollywood” performers, artistes and celebrities before movies were even invented.

    They were also sexually liberated and could take “patrons” or “lovers” if they so chose. Many of them were very wealthy and highly respected at a time when women had no access to education and few career prospects. Their children would also be educated as musicians and stage artists.

    The modern version is a total parody and corruption of the noble system and indeed is common prostitution and deplorable sex trafficking with a thin veneer of sacrality and should rightly be condemned. But this difference needs to be pointed out. It is a scurrilous accusation to say that this form of prostitution is “blessed” by the Hindu religion.

    Maybe you should read this book - Wives of the God-King - Interviews with the last of the Devadasis of Puri.

    When next you watch a Bharata Nathyam or Kuchipudi or Odishi dance performance think of the Devadasis - this is their art form. Think of the time and effort and training that goes into producing a skilled and talented classical dancer. This was an art form which was nearly lost when the British expelled them from the temples and then they had to became prostitutes to support themselves.

    Did you ever hear of the Devadasis of the 18th and 19th century campaigning for their own liberation? Did they consider themselves oppressed and exploited?

    • suyash95 166 days ago | +0 points

      Why Were Shudras not allowed to read VEDAS ?

      This was just an opinion of person at that time,not actual thing. Buy and try to read them, U will get the point .They are too big and Boring.

      Vedic Purohits r traditionally labelled as Brahmins, To become vedic purohits one must study in veda patshalas, and this can vary from place to place.Some pathshalas may have give admission solely on based on birth n others r open for everyone who want to enroll. When we compare our current modern world with old,ancient world,we should understand time,place,context.the conditions r vastly different.Learning one single Vedas required a time period of 12 years.n a strict observance of rules .very few people were inclined for this. There was no printing Press to book in large numbers.

      Writing was only developed in India in about 300 - 200 BCE. The entire sacred literature - i.e. Vedas had been transmitted orally for thousands of years before then. The primary function of the Brahmins was to learn the Vedas by heart and to transmit them to their disciples in an unbroken and perfect succession. So they were like walking libraries containing the entire culture in their heads.

      In order to be the custodians and living vehicles of the Vedas they had heavy responsibilities and duties imposed on them

      As national cultural treasures they were to be protected and given special privileges.

      If they neglected the study of the Vedas they were to be deprived of their privileges and treated as commoners.

  • suyash95 166 days ago | +0 points

    Who were referred as Shudras in India? How they were Casted?

    In a Hindu spiritual context every one who has not been initiated (upanayana) and is not observing the disciplines and protocols of an initiate (dvija) is a Shudra. That’s about 98% of the Hindu population.

    Everyone is born a Shudra (there is no caste by birth!!!) and it is through initiation alone (dikṣa) that one acquires the status of “twice-born”, but having acquired this status, one is also subjected to rules, regulations and rituals which one must observe perpetually for the rest of one’s life in order to retain that status. Any lapse in observance requires restoration and rectification (prāyaścitta).

    A Shudra on the other hand, has no ritual obligations and is free to eat, drink and do as he/she pleases, as long as the general code of practice (loka-dharma) is adhered to which is:–

    1. striving for contentment
    2. practicing compassion and forgiveness
    3. striving for self-control
    4. truthfulness
    5. abstention from anger and violence
    6. abstention from dishonesty, stealing and cheating
    7. observing physical, and striving for mental purity
    8. monogamy - avoiding all sexual misconduct
    9. pursuit of knowledge [concerning the world]
    10. pursuit of wisdom [concerning the Ultimate Reality]

    This is the highest moral code applicable to every society and all humankind. One is assured of spiritual progress and the Divine Grace if one follows this code (Manu 7;92) regardless of one's theological or philosophical convictions or lack thereof.

    In the astrological context, which determines a person’s character, everyone born under the rising signs (lagna) of Gemini, Libra and Aquarius is characterized as Shudra. A Shudra in this context is one who is content to work for others, has little ambition, is subjected to passions, lacks an efficient method of self-control and primarily follows their biological programming of self-preservation and self-propagation.

    In the social caste context a Shudra can refer to anyone who is born into a family whose hereditary occupations are service-based:– These include trading, farming, skilled artisans of all sorts, painters, sculptors, musicians, dancers, actors, entertainers, servants, builders, laborers etc. In fact everyone who is not a priest, in the defense industry or in finance. In fact the majority of any society.

    TANTRA was specifically developed by Shudras.There are hundreds of Tantric texts most of which remain untranslated and even unresearched . In the Tantra tradition, there is no varna for the sadhakas. They are classified as Pashu, Veeras and Siddhas, depending on the merits of their sadhana. The Tantric literature is no less vast than the Vedic one. Many great men in this tradition were born into non-Brahmin(Shudra) family. The tentacles of this tradition is widespread in many parts of India. In these communities, the Varnasharama is absent .

    Over the time ,The Vedic and Agamic streams blended and became interwoven through constant interactions with Tantric Siddha equivalent to Vedic Brahmin(One who knows ultimate reality Brahman)

  • suyash95 161 days ago | +0 points

    According to the Pañcarātra Āgamas every annual 10 day temple festival must include a procession around the town or village every day. The processional protocol demands that the Vedic Brahmins should follow behind the deity loudly chanting the Sanskrit Vedas for all to hear. In front of the deity walk the choristers chanting the Tamil Vedas. This protocol has been observed right up the the current day. And the fact is the MAJORITY of attendees at the temple festivals are by de fault Sūdras and women. So there is incontrovertible evidence that for the past 1000 years Sudras have freely listened to the public chanting of the Vedas.

    In addition there is the annual adhyayanotsava - a public festival in which daily communal chanting of the Vedas takes place for ALL to hear and enjoy.

  • suyash95 137 days ago | +0 points

    What is haraam (forbidden) in the Hindu religion?

    Intentionally causing harm to any living being by action, speech or thought is forbidden.

    The actually teaching is - ahiṁsa paramo dharmaḥ = non-violence is the highest form of religion.

    ahiṁsā paramo dharmaḥ tathā ahiṁsā paro damaḥ |

    ahiṁsā pramam dānaṁ ahiṁsā paramaṁ tapaḥ ||

    ahiṁsā paramo yajñaḥ tathā ahiṁsā paramaṁ balam |

    ahiṁsā paramaṁ mitraṁ ahiṁsā paramaṁ sukhaṁ |

    ahiṁsā paramaṁ satyaṁ ahiṁsā paramaṁ śrutam ||

    Abstention from injuring creatures is the highest dharma, self-control, gift, penance, sacrifice, strength, friend, happiness, truth, Scriptural injunction. (Mahabharata 12)

    Can a woman receive moksha according to Hinduism?

    Gender or class or race has nothing to do with attainment of Moksha since all of these characteristics apply to the physical body only, and bodies disintegrate according to biological laws and do not participate in Moksha.

    That which attains Moksha is the consciousness and consciousness is devoid of material categories.

    The obstructions to Moksha are precisely all those illusory concepts of self-identity such as gender, race, class, caste, nationality etc.

    Is moksha obtainable for everyone or for Hindus only?

    Moksha (also known as Mukti and nirvāna) means “freedom” or “emancipation” or “liberation”.

    Freedom from what?

    Freedom from the ever attendant suffering (duḥkha) which characterises worldly existence.

    A comprehensive description of Duḥkha is:—

    Disturbance, irritation, dejection, worry, despair, fear, dread, anguish, anxiety; vulnerability, injury, inability, inferiority; sickness, aging, decay of body and faculties, senility; pain/pleasure; excitement/boredom; deprivation/excess; desire/frustration, suppression; longing/aimlessness; hope/hopelessness; effort, activity, striving/repression; loss, want, insufficiency/satiety; love/lovelessness, friendlessness; dislike, aversion/attraction; parenthood/childlessness; submission/rebellion; decision/indecisiveness, vacillation, uncertainty.

    (Francis Story in Suffering, in Vol. II of The Three Basic Facts of Existence.)

    Thus all sentient beings are inherently striving for moksha of some form or another and thus it is the universal goal. And the two common goals for all beings are freedom from duḥkha and the achievement of happiness (sukha.)

    Hundreds of different methods, accessories (tech) and pharmaceuticals are prescribed by the many and various agencies involved in the “duḥkha-diminishing” business - which is almost every business imaginable.

    Pan-Indian spirituality is centred on the psychological causes of duḥkha, its supports and the psycho-spiritual-therapy needed to achieve emancipation therefrom here and now.

    So short-term moksha is the common goal of all worldlings and long-term moksha - i.e. emancipation from samsāra is not an individually achievable goal since it is beyond human agency - it comes only from the Grace of Paramātma. All we can do is to prepare the vessel of our minds through self-purification techniques and transformation strategies.

    The main obstruction to moksha is ego-centricism (ahaṅkāra), clinging and clutching and grasping to all concepts of “I” and “mine” - so the primary goal of spiritual life should be the diminishing and attenuation of our self-affirmative ego structures.

    Amrita Bindhu Upanishad

    mano hi dvividhaṃ proktam, śuddhaṃ cāśuddham eva ca | aśuddhaṃ kāma saṅkalpam, śuddham kāma vivarjitam || 1 ||

    The mind they say is twofold; either pure or impure, Impure when characterised by desire, Pure when it is free from desire.

    mana eva manuṣyāṇāṃ, kāraṇaṃ bandha-mokṣayoḥ | bandhāya viṣayāsaktaṃ, muktyai nirvisayaṃ smṛtam || 2 ||

    The mind therefore is the cause of bondage and liberation to us, of bondage when attached to objects; of liberation when free from it.

    yato nirviṣayāsyasya, manaso muktir iṣyate | tasmān nirviṣayaṃ nityaṃ, manaḥ kāryaṃ mumukṣuṇā || 3 ||

    Since by the objectless mind liberation is conditioned, so one who aspires thereafter should free the mind from attachment to objects.

    nirasta viṣayāsaṅgaṃ, sanniruddhaṃ mano hṛdi | yadā yātyunmani bhāvaṃ, tadā tat paramam padam || 4 ||

    Free from attachment to sense-gratification, one who restrains the mind through centring on the heart-chakra and thus achieves mind-lessness, reaches the supreme state.

    Do you think that Hinduism should become an organized religion like other abrahamic faiths? Why? If yes, how can we do so? What will be it's outcomes according to you?

    The problem with all religious organisations is their inevitable slide into Spiritual Materialism and tyranny of the cult. History provides us with ample evidence of the corruption and exploitation of religious power.

    Any centralised religion loses the “message” and becomes a self-focussed echo-chamber with all the characteristics of any other business organisation - from management structure to self-promotion, marketing of merchandise, membership, conflicts of interest, coercion etc.

    Hinduism is fine as it is, there are already hundreds of different Sampradāyas (lineages) which are organised more or less like the Abrahamic mobs, ranging from a rigid and formal structure like the BAPS to loose and informal ones like various Bhajan societies. The good thing about Hindu sampradāyas is the inbuilt checks and balances - which any prospective members should learn about. Membership is also voluntary and as long as “cults” are avoided one can leave at any time and go about “sampradāya shopping”.

    What is most needed is for every free-wheeling and concerned Hindu to join a proper recognised sampradāya and start to receive formal and structured learning and begin a systematic practice (sādhana) program.

    Does the Hindu religion contain any set of permanent rules, or does it keep on changing?

    Rules and regulations in Hinduism are specific to estate (varna) and stage of life (ashram) - and they differ widely and change according to time, place and circumstance.

    There is only the Loka-dharma or eternal code of good conduct which is always the same for everyone.

    This is the list according to Apastamba.

    • speaking the truth
    • sharing resources or justice (saṃvibhāgas)
    • liberality
    • rectitude and honesty (ārjavaṃ)
    • noble conduct (āryam) vide noblesse oblige
    • gentleness/non aggression
    • tranquillity
    • self-control
    • amity with all creatures
    • benevolence/compassion (anṛśaṃsaṃ)
    • contentment (tuṣṭiḥ)

    — there is agreement that these standards apply to all orders of life. By practicing them according to the rules, one attains the summation of life. (Apastamba 1:23:6)

    Virtually the same from the Mahābhārata

    adrohaḥ satya-vacanaṃ saṃvibhāgo dayā damaḥ |

    prajanaṃ sveṣu dāreṣu mārdavaṃ hrīścāpalam |

    evaṃ dharma pradhāneṣṭhaṃ manuḥ svāmyabhuve'bravīt ||

    Abstention from aggression and prejudice, truthfulness, justice, compassion, self-restraint, procreation with one's own spouse alone, amiability, modesty and patience, the practice of these virtues is the best of all Dharmas, thus declared Manu Svayambhuva. (MB. Santi Parva.)

    N.B. The gentle readers will note there is no mention of belief in God or slavish worship demanded or necessity to believe in any “sky-stuff” whatsoever. DHARMA is about practice not belief.

    Why are there Scintific errors in hindusim?

    There are no scientific errors in Hinduism because Hinduism is not an organization dedicated to the study of science. For scientific knowledge we need to go to the proper sources.

    All schools of Hinduism are interested in metaphysics not “science”.

    Metaphysics is defined as the branch of philosophy that examines the fundamental nature of reality, including the relationship between mind and matter, between substance and attribute, and between potentiality and actuality.

    If there is contradiction between scientific evidence and any statement in the Hindu scriptures, then the scriptural statement must be rejected.

    This is the verdict of all the ācāryas - here I will quote Madhvācārya

    Na ca pratyakṣa siddhim anyena kenāpi bādhyaṁ dṛṣṭam | candra prādeśatvādi viṣayaṁ tu, dūrasthatvādi doṣā yuktatvās apaṭṭu | na ca jagat pratyakṣasya apaṭutve kiñcin mānas ||

    Sense perception is its own standard of truth. It cannot be negated by inference or Scripture. The moon’s small size and other such erroneous perceptions are accountable as being due to distance and other conditions. There is no reason to reject the evidence of sense-perception regarding the existence of a world external to our minds.

    (Madhvacharya — Tattvodyota page 7 refutation of māyāvāda)

    Do you agree with the statement that..Hindu religious faith is the main basis and source of Hindu law, but there are some secular sources are there.explain the statement mentioning the source of Hindu law?

    There are two divisions to classical Hindu law:–

    Vyavahāra or laws and legal procedures which arose because of the decline of Dharma.

    dharma ekatānāḥ puruṣā yadāsan satyavādinaḥ |

    tadā na vyavahāro 'abhūn na dveṣo nāpi matsaraḥ ||

    naṣṭe dharme manuṣyeṣu vyavahāraḥ pravartate |

    draṣṭā ca vyavahārāṇāṁ rājā daṇḍadharaḥ kṛtaḥ ||

    When people had dharma as their only focus and were speakers of the truth, there was no legal procedure, no conflict, and no self interest.

    With the decline of Dharma declined, judicial procedure had to be established; and the king having the privilege of inflicting punishments, has been instituted judge of law-suits. (Nārada Smṛti 1:1–2)

    And Ācāram - personal conduct, practice, customs, norms, values etc. which is under the guidance of the priests, elders, and gurus.

    These two division have been totally separated and the legal procedures are left to the democratically elected secular government of the country in which Hindus live.

    So the only subject for exposition and practice in terms of the Dharma Shastra are issues pertaining to personal conduct - ācāram.

    Is India the only country with a caste system?

    Let’s assume that you have a party, where the Pope, Prime Minister, an entrepreneur and a farmer are invited. It could be in any major city. What would be the order of their seating?

    In most places today, it would be Pope->PM->Entrepreneur->Farmer. Now, look at India’s varna system. It is not unique in such an order. However, India is unique in merging birth assigned systems [ethnicity, race] with professional hierarchies. Somewhere along the line this happened and worse this change became permanent. We will discuss that.

    Most civilizations have had the system of caste in similar form as India. I have written a more detailed answer on how these things originated: What is the Indian caste system and how does it work?

    Let me copy the caste systems of other civilizations and you can notice that the kings and priests usually take up the highest portion. The only difference is that in some societies the farmers had a higher rank than merchants and in other places the vice versa.





    However, India is unique in some aspects.

    1. India has had a cultural continuity that no other civilization has had. The ancient systems, religions, cultures of other civilizations have been mostly gone. In India, history is present and even the external empires mostly coopted the system rather than changing them.
    2. The caste has been merged into a modern religion, making it hard to remove. In other cultures, the direct relationship between the nation and religion are mostly gone. Thus, there is no strong relationship between the social systems and religion. Hinduism is unique in having this direct connection.
    3. India has integrated multiple systems more easily. What is known as “caste” in Portuguese/English is actually made of 3 distinct components - jati, jana, varna. Jati is an occupational identification. Jana is an ethnic identification. Varna is a philosophical identification. These have been more tightly merged over the centuries.
    4. In the world’s most transformative period - of the past 3 centuries, India is unique among the major civilizations to spend the most of it in European colonialism [none of its ancient peers had such a direct control by an European power for such a long time]. Thus, India lost a lot of time in changing. Most of the changes to the system came only in 1950 when India became a republic.

    If India were a republic of present type in say 1800 instead of 1950, we might have had progress in moving on from the ancient social structures. Rather we are a new republic and whose development has not reached large swathes of the country.

    These factors make India unique in continuing systems that other civilizations have long moved on.

  • suyash95 136 days ago | +0 points

    Why is there no Hindu nation in the world?

    A nation is a stable community of people formed on the basis of a common language, territory, history, ethnicity, or a common culture. A nation is more overtly political than an ethnic group; it has been described as "a fully mobilized or institutionalized ethnic group".

    Hindus speak dozens of different language come from different ethnicities, have vastly different customs and traditions, wear different clothing, eat different foods, follow different religions and sects and come from different countries and every Hindu ethnicity has a different history. For example, the history of the Hindus of South East Asia is very different to that of Indian, Nepalese or Sri Lankan Hindus. South Indian Hindus have a different history to Northern Indians.

    Hindu Punjabis have more in common with Punjabi Sikhs and Muslims than they do with Tamilians or Balinese.

    Nowadays there are a large number of “Western” Hindus or ex-patriate Hindus - none of whom feel an affinity with other Hindus or even a solidarity with them.

    Hinduism has never been, and can never be “institutionalised” or “collectivised” and any attempt at uniting Hindus into a mobilised group is like herding cats.

  • suyash95 136 days ago | +0 points

    Does Shankara's philosophy posit that moksa can only be granted to the first three varnas, as only they are entitled to the prerequisite Vedic study under a Guru? Are sudras only eligible by taking sannyasa?

    All Hindu philosophical texts of Advaita state that Mokṣa is not gender or caste based - it is based upon Self-realization (ātma-bodha) i.e. the removal of cognitive error (avidya) which obfuscates the perception of one’s true essence.

    Mokṣa is achieved through 3 processes according to Vedānta.

    Karma-yoga - disinterested service and engagement with the world, the dutiful performance of all social and profession obligations and working for the upliftment and benefit of others. This produces merit which then accelerates one’s spiritual evolution by producing Karmic circumstances which foster and nourish spiritual growth. This is the spiritual base camp for everyone.

    Jñāna-yoga – study of philosophy and the development of right-view (dṛṣṭhi) and the practice and cultivation of a meditation practice. Here is where Varna comes in. According to the Upaṇiṣads there are 32 Brahmā-vidyas or meditation techniques. Both Śankara and Rāmānuja agreed that the requirement for learning and practicing these techniques required Upanayana (Initiation) and Nitya-karma - daily obligatory rituals like sandhya-vandana and rules and regulations restricting and regulating every aspect of one’s daily life. These strict observances purify the mind and establishes the discipline required for meditation. Since Sūdras were ineligible for Upanayana and its rules and regulations - they therefore were obstructed from the practice of the Brahmā-vidyas.

    Bhakti-yoga – the path of devotion and surrender to God - a path open to all even animals, without prejudice or discrimination. This is considered by the later texts to be the easiest, highest and the most glorious of all spiritual paths.

    P.S. Since 90% of Hindus no longer undergo Upanayana and the required rituals and observances, and since there is no longer any Guru (that I know of) who has practiced all the 32 Brahmā-vidyas or is authorised to teach them - they have in fact become as extinct as the dodo. And have been irrelevant for at least the past 1000 years.

    The Tantras actually filled the gap and provided meditation techniques for all and sundry without any discrimination of gender, class or caste etc. So those who were barred from the Brahmā-vidyas could take up the Tantric practices instead.

    SANYASA too required all the preliminary Vedic social saṁskaras and was its culmination. In the classical Vedānta, women and Sūdras were not entitled to sanyāsa but only to the gṛhasthā-āśrama - householder estate.

    Neo-Vedānta led by Vivekananda changed that and now everyone is entitled to sanyāsa regardless of gender or caste. Members of the first three Varnas who became sanyāsis would carry a bamboo stick — one in the case of Advaitis and three tied together in the case of Vaishnava ascetics. Non-brahmin ascetics and women do not carry any sticks.

  • suyash95 136 days ago | +0 points

    In what ways the Hinduism engaged in politics? Why did its leaders decide to be involved in politics?

    At one time all religions were inseparable from politics - religion pervaded and controlled daily personal and public life in Europe, Asia, Africa, Middle East and the Americas.

    In Europe following the religious wars of the 16th to 17th centuries, the Enlightenment of the 18th century paved the way for a decoupling of society and politics from religion - known as the separation of Church and State. The colonisation of the world by the European powers introduced this division into all the colonies which paved the way for their flourishing.

    In ancient India the two powers - Spiritual (Brahmins) and Temporal (Kshatriyas) cooperated in governing society. With the Islamic conquest and colonisation the rift between the Sacred and Temporal gradually widened and after the complete take over of the sub-continent in 1885 by the British crown, was severed altogether and Hinduism ceased to play a role in politics.

    Nowadays there is resurgence of political religiosity in many countries - the predominantly Islamic countries, Sri Lanka among the Buddhist countries and America as well as India. In India the mixing of religion and politics is fraught with danger because there are so many different streams of thought and religion under the umbrella of “Hinduism” - so which one is to be applied? This not only causes conflict externally but also internally.

    IMO this is a dangerous trend and can only lead to increased communal conflict and animosity. Religion should be kept right out of politics and should remain in the realm of private practice.

  • suyash95 136 days ago | +0 points

    In what ways the Hinduism engaged in politics? Why did its leaders decide to be involved in politics?

    At one time all religions were inseparable from politics - religion pervaded and controlled daily personal and public life in Europe, Asia, Africa, Middle East and the Americas.

    In Europe following the religious wars of the 16th to 17th centuries, the Enlightenment of the 18th century paved the way for a decoupling of society and politics from religion - known as the separation of Church and State. The colonisation of the world by the European powers introduced this division into all the colonies which paved the way for their flourishing.

    In ancient India the two powers - Spiritual (Brahmins) and Temporal (Kshatriyas) cooperated in governing society. With the Islamic conquest and colonisation the rift between the Sacred and Temporal gradually widened and after the complete take over of the sub-continent in 1885 by the British crown, was severed altogether and Hinduism ceased to play a role in politics.

    Nowadays there is resurgence of political religiosity in many countries - the predominantly Islamic countries, Sri Lanka among the Buddhist countries and America as well as India. In India the mixing of religion and politics is fraught with danger because there are so many different streams of thought and religion under the umbrella of “Hinduism” - so which one is to be applied? This not only causes conflict externally but also internally.

    IMO this is a dangerous trend and can only lead to increased communal conflict and animosity. Religion should be kept right out of politics and should remain in the realm of private practice.

  • suyash95 134 days ago | +0 points

    Why do Indians oppose castism, even though it is clearly mentioned in Vedas and are absolute God's word?

    You need to clarify what is meant by “casteism”.

    Does it mean division of society into interdependent and codependent socio-economic blocs and hierarchy or do you mean discrimination, inclusion/exclusion, oppression and exploitation based on birth in a specific community?

    N.B. The Vedas are not the “word of God” and they are not “Absolute” - these are claims only made for the Q book.

    Society is indeed personified as a holistic entity of four functional divisions in the Puruṣa Sūkta - and they are described as being the head, arms, thighs and feet of the social entity - but just as a person cannot function efficiently with the loss of any one of these four limbs - so can society not function without them.

    The Vedas do not in anyway condone “discrimination” and “exploitation” of any section of society. This inclusion/exclusion and discriminatory policy is found in the secondary sources of ancient Hindu Law and Custom (the Smritis) composed over 2500 years ago by numerous human and fallible law-givers during the agricultural revolution era.

    Since the first Industrial Revolution the ancient Vedic socio-economic model has become obsolete and what reformers are struggling against is the residue social odure of discrimination based on birth alone - the major form of which is related to inter-marriage in Indian society and which doesn't noticeably obtain in the 70 million expatriate Hindu community.

  • suyash95 133 days ago | +0 points

    Why do Indians have such a poor understanding of Hinduism?

    I think its due to a number of reasons.

    1. Diversity and complexity. Hinduism is a confederation of numerous religions and sects with no central teaching authority and contains a spectrum of beliefs and philosophies/theologies.
    2. Apathy. People take their customs and traditions for granted and just go with the flow and don’t bother to question or to investigate.
    3. Lack of formal instruction. Unlike other religions there is no system or tradition of formal instruction in the basics. Nor is there a standard catechism for teaching.
    4. The all-empowered “elders” who should never be questioned, and who discourage questions because they themselves do not known and have never bothered to educate themselves.
    5. Absence of coercion or indoctrination imperative. The search for knowledge has always been an individual responsibility within the Indian tradition and so it is accepted that people will do their own research. Indian parents also do not encourage their children to attend religious ceremonies or to participate.
    6. Lack of readily available resources. Up until the advent of the internet it was somewhat troublesome but not impossible to find good resources. There have always been bookstores and Publishing houses - but Indians generally I have found would rather listen to a discourse than read a book. I have not found many homes in India with an interesting or well-used library. Most of the resources were in regional languages and only available in specific states, and locations.
    7. Absence of sermonising. Attendance at temples is an individual affair and not congregational. So there are no priests giving weekly sermons to educate the congregation that sits in pin drop silence. There are periodic “discourses” given by well-known teachers but attendance is sporadic and again voluntary.
    8. Belief in rebirth. This imparts a lack of urgency into the equation - so no one is in a hurry to learn, to surrender and to be “saved”. Its a lackadaisical matter, all will be well.
    9. Attraction of materialism. Parents discourage their children from reading the Gita or studying philosophy from the irrational and unfounded dread that they will develop dispassion overnight and renounce the world. And we all know how important marriage and grand-children are to India parents! So best to keep them ignorant of religion and make them focus on their studies and careers! Why they can’t do them together with religious instruction like the Christians and Muslims do is baffling.
    10. Disinterested and under-educated priests. Hindu priests for the most part are “Ritual Technicians” and not scholars. They come to the home to perform a ritual which is perfunctory, and in which most of the guests are disinterested. They pass the time before the obligatory lunch drinking tea and chatting while the ceremony is going on. The priests are not interested in commanding discipline or in explaining the ceremony in detail.

    This list is not exhaustive and I’m sure we will find many more reasons in the comment section below.

  • suyash95 87 days ago | +0 points

    Some Hindus are claiming that you can not change your Varna and Shudras can't read the Vedas. What is Rami Sivan's view on this?

    Varna is now completely redundant and all rights of dvijatva were cancelled the moment the “caste-Hindus” gave up Upanayana, studying Veda and doing Sandhya Vandana. 95% of Brahmins are Vrātyas.

    Rami Sivan's answer to Who were the Vratyas?

    So even caring about varna and claiming status and privilege because of birth is a grotesque charade.

    So ALL HINDUS ARE BY DEFAULT SUDRAS except those who have dedicated their lives to Veda study and learning the texts by heart.

    The ban on reading Vedas - is what we call a red herring.

    Anyone who is literate can read the Vedas - they are freely available on-line. And they are also available in most major languages in India and can be easily purchase in book stores without an ID card.

    Whether you will understand them without a guru is another matter.

    I personally wouldn’t advise it because of time-wastage. If you want a bird’s eye-view of the best sūktas of the Veda here are the links.

    The Vedic Experience. Mantramañjari.

    P.S. The Author is Malayali Catholic not even a Hindu!

    The Spiritual Heritage of India

    For those who want a quick peak at the Vedas for free -and access to much more literature as well - Sacred-Texts: Hinduism

    So here in one instant we have bypassed 2000 years of Brahminical obstruction to Vedic knowledge.

  • suyash95 55 days ago | +0 points

    According to our scriptures, is attaining Mukti/moksha/Vaikuntha possible for someone of a shudra varna? Does he have to accumulate sukriti in this life so as to take birth in a Brahmin family in the next life and then aspire for Bhagwat prapti?

    Mokṣa or ‘Liberation” means freedom from all avidya (cognitive error) which manifests in self-identity and sense of separateness.

    Every aspect of self-identity - whether by physical attributes, gender, caste, class, race, qualities, achievements, hobbies, interests, religion, ideology etc. are the causes of “bondage” or bandhana, from which liberation is being sought.

    There are 2 methods of achieving Liberation in the Hindu texts.

    1. Self effort through jñāna - knowledge - applied through meditation which leads to insight and self-realisation. Self-Realisation is the realisation that everything is ephemeral and unsubstantial and the only reality is the conscious witnessing Self and that we are one with the Cosmic consciousness.
    2. Through Divine Grace (kripā) which cannot be solicited but is automatically descending upon all without exception. All we need to do is to prepare ourselves for the reception of that Grace through purifying our minds. The purification process requires us to empty our minds of selfishness, anger, delusion that we are the body, arrogance and self-identification, greed and envy.

    None of this is dependant upon caste or gender and is open to anyone and everyone without any reservation.

    According to the great Srivaishnava teachers - Pillai Lokacharya the greatest obstacle to liberation is birth in a Brahmin family. The lower castes are more eligible for Divine Grace because they are naturally free arrogance, ego and pride which are the greatest obstacles which Brahmins need to struggle to overcome.

  • suyash95 55 days ago | +0 points

    Why are there contradicts in the Hindu scripture? There's a verse that said alcohol is prohibited and there's another verse that says soma is permissible. Can a Hindu explain?

    As the very learned Devala Rees has so eloquently presented - the Hindu library is vast and the authors are legion and the target groups various.

    Regarding alcohol consumption there is no heavenly diktat but advice and suggestion.

    Consumption of alcoholic beverages is seen in animals as well.

    Alcohol was strictly prohibited to priests only.

    The rest of the population was advised about the ill effects of alcohol consumption in excess and the dangers of alcoholism, but there was never a law legislated to ban alcohol.

    Garuda Purana and Ayur Veda says that judicial use of alcohol is extremely beneficial for health.

    madamāno roṣa-toṣa pravṛttibhir itas tataḥ |

    yuktā yuktaṃ ca samaṃ yuktiṃ yuṅkte na madyena ||

    balakāsa deśa pātram prakṛti sahatām athavā vayāṃsi |

    pravibhajjyā tanu rūpaṃ pibati tataḥ pibatyamṛtaṃ ||

    Used judiciously wine relieves a person of worries, otherwise it leads one to hell. It gives the ability to work, helps the natural functions and blesses with beauty. Judicious use of wine is like that of the nectar of immortality. (Garuda Purana 1:155:34-35)

    According to Āyur-veda

    dīpanam rocanam madyam tīkshṇoṣṇam tuṣṭi-puṣṭi krt sasvādu tiktakaṭukam

    Alcohol improves absorption, boosts appetite, accelerates digestion and metabolism, warms up the body, pleases and nourishes body. It is bitter and pungent with a mild sweet aftertaste,

    Amlapāka-rasam saram sakaṣāyam svararogya pratibhā varṇakrlllaghu

    absorbed from the small intestine and stimulates bowel movement. It has a mild astringent taste, improves voice, health,

    imagination, complexion, and is easy to be absorbed

    naṣṭanidrā ati-nidrebhyo hitam pittāsradūṣnam krśa-sthūlaphitam rūkṣam

    It regulates / steadies sleep, can also aggravate pitta and blood. It steadies weight, removes dampness from tissues,

    sūkṣmam srotovo-śodhanam vāt-śleṣma-haram yuktyā pītam viṣavad anyathā

    is subtle, cleanses all bodily channels and reduces Vata and Kapha The above is only applicable if it is consumed with logic and common sense. Otherwise it acts like a poison.

    sūtra 63-65, adhyāya 5, sūtrasthānam, aṣṭāṅga hrdayam of vāgbhaṭṭa


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